I think what they're driving at is that you may be harming your own progress by overthinking it so hard--if you focus on your experience, you may have a better and easier time :)
i meant that you are operating highly in the cerebral/logical parts of your brain, but tulpamancy is not about that, especially that if you do it your brain puts a lot of doubt and overthinking
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7:23 PM
yeah it is a very experiental practice
7:23 PM
it’s not about thinking or talking or even thinking
nothing wrong with it as a study, but when starting out especially (and more generally with advancing it as your own practice), experience is more important
study is something we can do to refine how we talk about and guide newcomers, but the important part for the actual practice is experience (as in, sensory experience, not as in "being experienced") and emotion
I do understand that overcomplication doesn't help, but I personally find that I am a square being shoved in a circle hole sometimes. People who "just do it" just well, they just do it. For me, asking me to think like a circle just doesn't jive with me
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7:27 PM
I don't think it has to be a bad thing for someone enthusiastic about completing tulpamancy to invest a lot of brain power into it
so i’m not really talking about advice that was given to ravenmoor
7:28 PM
i’m talking more about what ravenmoor says his process is like
7:29 PM
it’s “i am talking to myself and want to hear back”, an intellectual level, but i don’t get a sense of trying to get a kind of connection (more on an emotional level)
7:29 PM
i don’t think just do it would work here
7:30 PM
because ravenmoore is approaching it intellectually, if he just talks to the tulpa without more experienta depth, he will just talk to himself(edited)
I don't think Zen was either cerebral or emotional in his approach...
I don't really want to talk about him anyway. Ravenmoor is nothing like him(edited)
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Host is the same way :) Massive overthinker, ruminates on everything. All I can say is, it gets easier if you start paying attention to your emotions. Have you ever done mindfulness meditation?
7:35 PM
or, rather, do you know what it is, and how to do it?
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ok that’s interesting, might sound out of topic but have you aleays felt that way?
7:36 PM
Or just online, just on this server or something?
7:41 PM
you could try this:
feel what not caring about what pronouns someone uses at you feels like
7:42 PM
and then, try to feel the same when it comes to „am i doing this right? am i just parroting?” Or any overthinking you might stumble upon while doing tulpamancy
7:43 PM
because that’s the interesting thing: people not caring about those things get quicker results
7:43 PM
if you are doing the thinking and get absorbed with thoughts, there is not much room for tulpa’s thoughts
I'm sorry, that advice makes me really uncomfortable
I get that doubt can make things harder, yes. But asking someone to change how they feel about something just doesn't sound right to me. It feels invalidating in a way
I'm sorry, that advice makes me really uncomfortable
I get that doubt can make things harder, yes. But asking someone to change how they feel about something just doesn't sound right to me. It feels invalidating in a way
It's just a tip to feel less anxious though? As someone with an anxiety disorder and multiple other disorders it does not come off that way to me at all
Yeah I have legit anxiety that I take pills for and "move into the frame of mind where you're not anxious" is legit advice my licensed therapist has given me
A long kiss goodnight
That's not what I find invalidating. I find the "imagine how you feel about pronouns" and use that feeling instead of feelings of anxiety invalidating
To me feelings are indicators. They show up in response to something else. While yes, some people do struggle with having a strong anxiety emotional response, I think it's unfair to jump to the conclusion your anxiety is extreme for something like tulpamancy? It's normal for beginners to doubt, have fears, and insecurities about the process. Anxiety doesn't come from nowhere, I think telling someone to stop doubting or stop being anxious is ignoring the problem that causes the anxiety.
Granted, sometimes that anxiety is out of our control. We can't fix childhood trauma, perfectionism, or fear of failure. But if the anxiety is coming from needing more guidance and ideas on how to do a forcing session, I think that's a problem we can fix(edited)
I'm assuming parotnoia, doubt, and overthinking are symptoms of an anxious emotional response
A long kiss goodnight
To me feelings are indicators. They show up in response to something else. While yes, some people do struggle with having a strong anxiety emotional response, I think it's unfair to jump to the conclusion your anxiety is extreme for something like tulpamancy? It's normal for beginners to doubt, have fears, and insecurities about the process. Anxiety doesn't come from nowhere, I think telling someone to stop doubting or stop being anxious is ignoring the problem that causes the anxiety.
Granted, sometimes that anxiety is out of our control. We can't fix childhood trauma, perfectionism, or fear of failure. But if the anxiety is coming from needing more guidance and ideas on how to do a forcing session, I think that's a problem we can fix (edited)
Some causes of anxiety are not possible for us to fix. But some normal tulpamancy-related problems can be solved by us, which can relieve anxiety(edited)
KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk
you could try this:
feel what not caring about what pronouns someone uses at you feels like
okay! Mindfulness meditation is an incredibly helpful tool for tulpamancy (and just generally)--the basic explanation of the practice is
1. sit and breathe
2. focus on how breathing feels physically
3. every time your focus slips to something else, acknowledge it happened, and refocus on breathing
4. lather/rinse/repeat for some number of minutes
it is a very good tool for practicing attention, and can be adjusted to help out with tulpamancy-specific stuff too!
8:14 PM
next time you do a forcing session with your tulpa, it may be useful to spend some of that time doing a meditation on how you're feeling while it's happening--not focusing on how breathing makes you feel physically, but what your emotions are and where your attention is going while you're forcing.
8:16 PM
specifically, this advice is coming in response to your worries about overthinking--this is how we came to be reliably able to switch; there was an initial breakthrough of how to do it in the first place with @KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk 's help, but we couldn't do it repeatably or reliably. As time went on and we practiced doing it, focusing in on our emotions and how it felt (emotionally, experientially) to switch allowed us to access it without difficulty going forwards
8:17 PM
similarly, I imagine focusing on how you are feeling when forcing will help advance your practice now, especially if you are overthinking :) Overthinking it was our biggest barrier to switching
So I’ve been thinking about this for over a year and finally I am ready to create tulpa, please give me any tips or tricks you know to create one(edited)
12:17 AM
Also any concern you have for creating one, etc
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All you need to do is
1. imagine your tulpa is there in your head
2. talk to them about stuff (your day, stuff you're doing, media you like/are engaging with right now, etc)
3. lather rinse repeat ad infinitum
So I’ve been thinking about this for over a year and finally I am ready to create tulpa, please give me any tips or tricks you know to create one (edited)
I see. I'm trying to figure out what we should be working on in the next year. I want to be as healthy of a system as I can be by the time we go to university.
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